| False Calliope Avg offered by Numismatica Ars Classica | |
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barnaba6 Cos Des II


Age : 36 Date d'inscription : 24/02/2015
 | Sujet: False Calliope Avg offered by Numismatica Ars Classica Ven 6 Avr - 11:18 | |
| It is with great surprise and disappointment that I noted yesterday that the most prestigious auction house in the world as far as ancient numismatics is concerned put on auction the below falsification of the famous Probus Calliope Avg:
https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=4763&category=140860&lot=3928531
While the obverse is most likely genuine, the reverse is evidently false! The style of the Muse and the shape of the letters have nothing in common with the original.
You can check yourselves what the originals look like:
http://probuscoins.fr/search?atelierID=-1&dateID=-1&titulatureID=-1&legendeID=21&reversType=-1&emission=-1&officineID=-1&busteID=-1&ric=-1&bastien=-1&mpr=-1&ho=-1&rarityID=-1&id=&keywords=
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Brennos COS VI


Age : 49 Date d'inscription : 27/02/2012
 | Sujet: Re: False Calliope Avg offered by Numismatica Ars Classica Ven 6 Avr - 11:30 | |
| It is not the first time that forgeries are offered on NAC auctions. If you signal it, they withdraw them.
They have catalogued 1726 coins and they are human after all ... | |
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barnaba6 Cos Des II


Age : 36 Date d'inscription : 24/02/2015
 | Sujet: Re: False Calliope Avg offered by Numismatica Ars Classica Ven 6 Avr - 12:19 | |
| I just wrote to them. We will see if and how they react, especially if they withdraw the coin. | |
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Emblémiste Légendaire Modérateur


Age : 83 Localisation : Brasilia Date d'inscription : 22/12/2007
 | Sujet: Re: False Calliope Avg offered by Numismatica Ars Classica Ven 6 Avr - 13:14 | |
| Isn't it possible that the aspect of the reverse be the result of a bad strike? The coin is cracked. It sounds strange to me that the obverse is genuine and the reverse is false.  | |
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barnaba6 Cos Des II


Age : 36 Date d'inscription : 24/02/2015
 | Sujet: Re: False Calliope Avg offered by Numismatica Ars Classica Ven 6 Avr - 13:51 | |
| [quote="Emblémiste"]Isn't it possible that the aspect of the reverse be the result of a bad strike? The coin is cracked. It sounds strange to me that the obverse is genuine and the reverse is false.quote] The coin is cracked but the crack has nothing to do with the strange style of the Muse and the lettering. I suspect the reverse was re-engraved from a genuine coin of another type, hence the (most likely) genuine obverse, similarily as another "Calliope" discussed some time ago on this forum: https://www.forumfw.com/t5798-pour-nos-amis-probusiens-type-calliope-avg?highlight=calliopehttp://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=65034.0 | |
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Pescennius Prefet de l'Vrbs


Age : 43 Date d'inscription : 17/02/2015
 | Sujet: Re: False Calliope Avg offered by Numismatica Ars Classica Ven 6 Avr - 14:15 | |
| Tu as raison Barnaba, ton hypothèse me semble la bonne. Il y a d'ailleurs une grande similitude de style de "regravure"... l'oeuvre du même escroc sans doute.  | |
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barnaba6 Cos Des II


Age : 36 Date d'inscription : 24/02/2015
 | Sujet: Re: False Calliope Avg offered by Numismatica Ars Classica Ven 6 Avr - 15:52 | |
| Thanks Pescennius for this very nice photo "assemblage". I think that in this case images speak louder than words:)
By the way, the coin which you chose to show as the original, comes from my collection and I am very dearly attached to it:) | |
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Pescennius Prefet de l'Vrbs


Age : 43 Date d'inscription : 17/02/2015
 | Sujet: Re: False Calliope Avg offered by Numismatica Ars Classica Ven 6 Avr - 18:17 | |
| Waooh, great coin Barnaba ! You can be proud of it ! | |
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Joss COS VII


Age : 32 Localisation : Lutèce Date d'inscription : 17/09/2015
 | Sujet: Re: False Calliope Avg offered by Numismatica Ars Classica Ven 6 Avr - 20:41 | |
| Numismatists are mostly specialised in Greek, Republican or early Imperial coinages. Thus they are a bit clueless about the Late Empire. It seems forgers have understood that. | |
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KRIKRI58 Prefet de l'Vrbs


Age : 65 Localisation : Amphiacum entre Decetia et Noviodunum Date d'inscription : 01/12/2012
 | Sujet: Re: False Calliope Avg offered by Numismatica Ars Classica Dim 8 Avr - 16:47 | |
| Sont même pas fichu d'identifier l'avers correctement : IMP CM AVR PROBVS PF AVG et non IMP PROBVS PF AVG comme annoncé https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=4763&category=140860&lot=3928531 Toujours en ligne
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Pescennius Prefet de l'Vrbs


Age : 43 Date d'inscription : 17/02/2015
 | Sujet: Re: False Calliope Avg offered by Numismatica Ars Classica Dim 8 Avr - 22:39 | |
| Tiens, étrange, car elle avait été retirée, et là, on la revoit. Une remise en vente, c'est pas sain, car ils ont été avertis. | |
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