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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Ven 17 Nov - 1:26

De jolies entrées issues de collections probusiennes prestigieuses ! super1 
J'ai un faible pour le buste F3 de Ticinum. Mais elle est issue de la 1e officine (PXXT) Wink 
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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Ven 17 Nov - 14:45

Merci KRIKRI58 et Christophe pour vos commentaires!

Christophe, tu as bien sur raison que le bust F3 est issue del la 1e officine. J'ai deja corrige ma description. Merci. Tu sais bien toi meme qu'il est impossible d'eviter parfois des erreurs quand on prepare beacoup de desriptions:)

Merci aussi pour avoir integre mes nouvelles monnaies dans ta base.

A propos le buste F3/VIRTVS AVG, j'ai parfois des doutes si c'est ne pas en realite le buste F2. La sole difference est sceptre ou haste et le fer de l'haste est vraiment peu visible sur ma nouvelle monnaie...

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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Sam 18 Nov - 0:03

Une série des plus remarquables super8
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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Sam 18 Nov - 12:33

barnaba6 a écrit:

A propos le buste F3/VIRTVS AVG, j'ai parfois des doutes si c'est ne pas en realite le buste F2. La seule difference est sceptre ou haste et le fer de l'haste est vraiment peu visible sur ma nouvelle monnaie...  

 

Oui, les erreurs de descriptions sont fréquentes lorsqu'on rentre beaucoup de données. J'en sais quelque chose avec www.probuscoins.frLaughing

Pour te répondre sur les attributions des bustes F2/F3 :

L'infime et seule différence de description entre les bustes F2 et F3 est quelquefois difficile à appréhender lorsque la monnaie présente une usure prononcée, un accident ou bien encore une corrosion;  ta monnaie ayant un aplat de frappe (de circulation ou de frappe ?) sur le buste (à l'épaule droite à 7h00 qui semble être de même origine que celui du bout du sceptre ou de la haste), il est bien difficile de savoir s'il y a réellement une pointe finale.
A mon avis, il n'y en a pas et j'aurai tendance à la classer avec les bustes  F2. En comparant les bustes F3 identifiés de façon unanime et le buste de l' id. n°3184 , on remarque que le fer de haste des buste F3 est gravée comme un V à l'envers bien en évidence alors que sur la tienne le doute persiste.  Mais comme je n'ai pas eu la monnaie en main comme toi, je m'en remets à ta description et considère jusqu’à preuve du contraire (si un autre exemplaire de même coins apparait) qu'il s'agit d'un buste F3.

Voici les bustes F3 de Ticinum :

http://probuscoins.fr/search?atelierID=-1&dateID=-1&titulatureID=-1&legendeID=-1&reversType=-1&emission=-1&officineID=-1&busteID=35&ric=-1&bastien=-1&mpr=-1&ho=-1&rarityID=-1&id=&keywords=

Et ici les bustes F2 de Ticinum:

http://probuscoins.fr/search?atelierID=-1&dateID=-1&titulatureID=-1&legendeID=-1&reversType=-1&emission=-1&officineID=-1&busteID=34&ric=-1&bastien=-1&mpr=-1&ho=-1&rarityID=-1&id=&keywords=

Comme tu le sais, j'ai adopté pour la description des monnaies, comme beaucoup de numismates s’intéressant à la période concernée, le classement des bustes de P. Bastien (in "Le buste monétaire des empereurs romains" Wetteren, 1994) car elle me parait la plus appropriée aux monnaies du IIIe siècle. Mais il est fréquent, après 23 ans de la date de parution, de trouver des variantes de bustes non décrites dans la déjà longue liste de son ouvrage...
Par exemple, j’attire ton attention sur le fait que même dans le groupe des bustes F2, il existe une variante (F2var.) pour l' id. n°1205 de P. Gysen car le buste impérial ne présente pas de paludamentum. Par contre il y a un pan de l'égide sur l'épaule gauche.
Quelques soit les classifications de bustes, les descriptions ne sont pas sans faille et évoluent au fil des nouvelles monnaies découvertes avec des variantes (.var)  inédites de bustes ou passées inaperçues lors des descriptions antérieures dans les ouvrages de références de nos pairs.  C'est comme ça que l'on se retrouve avec des descriptions plus fines comme pour les bustes B10,  avec B10.var. 1 et B10.var. 2 ou encore les bustes F6, avec F6 .var. 1 et F6 .var. 2 !  Wink

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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Mar 21 Nov - 14:48

Upon further inspection of my coin under magnifying glass and reviewing the coins from your above links I come to the conclusion that there is no spearhead (pointe finale) on my coin so we should classify it as F2 bust, not F3 bust. I will appreciate if you adjust the description on Probuscoins.fr accordingly.

As for coin no. 1205 I would tend to describe it rather as F9 VAR. bust (not F2 VAR.) because the bust is clrealy cuirassed only, not additionally draped with paludamentum. Indeed there is a fold of aegis on the shoulder (hence the variation attribution). However such aegis fold is often found on cuirassed busts to right without any weapons (e.g. from Ticinum or Serdica) and we still classify those busts as "B", not "A" or "A" var. (in Bastien's bust classification) precisely because there is no paludamentum on them (despite the Aegis fold).  

Anyway, you rightly pointed out that in reality the busts can be classified on many levels and if one chose to go into greater detail one could classify e.g. several different sub-types of B bust.

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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Mar 21 Nov - 15:45

Ok, merci Barnaba. Je l'ai donc ventilé dans les bustes F2 après ta plus fine observation et je pense que c'est le bon classement.

J'ai aussi corrigé le classement de la monnaie de P.Gysen, bien mieux en F9, c'est évident.
D'autre part, pour continuer sur les appréciations de classement, si tu regardes tous les buste F9 de probuscoins.fr, tu peux voir que certains ont une haste (avec pointe finale) et d'autre un sceptre (sans pointe). S'il on voulait ajuster le classement encore une fois, il faudrait ajouter un F9 var.2 pour ce détail car selon P.Bastien, le buste F9 est uniquement avec un sceptre.

J'ai souvent pensé à un utiliser pour moi-même un classement complémentaire qui en dehors de la position de l'empereur pourrait être complété par des codes traduisant la présence d'attributs multiples. Par exemple un buste F9, pourrait se traduire par un code F/g1 = g pour gauche et 1 pour sceptre. Si le sceptre se transforme en haste avec pointe finale, on pourrait noter F/g2 = 2 pour une haste.. Si en plus l'aegis est présent sur l'épaule droite le code serait F/g1-d3, le 3 pour l'aegis...etc.
Avec un tel classement, peu de détail pourraient passer inaperçus. Wink

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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Lun 8 Jan - 1:22

Bonsoir,

Voici, mes nouvelles entrees probusiennes:

1.
OBVERSE: IMP C PROBVS�P�F�AVG
REVERSE: MARS VICTOR
BUST TYPE: A2 = radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from back
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//III
WEIGHT 3.83g / AXIS: 6h / WIDTH: 21-24mm
RIC: 84 VAR. (A2 BUST UNLISTED)
BASTIEN: 286 (2 EX.)
COLLECTION NO: 1154
VERY RARE

2.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: SALVS AVG
BUST TYPE: A2 = radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from back
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -B//-
WEIGHT 4.92g / AXIS 7h / WIDTH: 21-22mm
RIC: 123
BASTIEN: 392 (29 EX.)
COLLECTION NO: 1121

3.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: P M TR P COS P P
BUST TYPE: B = Radiate, cuirassed bust right
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: --//XXIE
WEIGHT 3.27g / AXIS: 12h / DIAMETER: 20-22mm
RIC: 607 (SISCIA)
J.GUILLEMAIN, MONETAZIONE DI PROBO A ROMA (276-282 d.C.), 2009: 067 (7 EX. CITED)
COLLECTION NO. 1127

4.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: ROMAE AETERNAE
BUST TYPE: A = radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from front
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: RZ
WEIGHT 3.35g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH 22-23mm
RIC: 190 VAR. (UNLISTED WITH A BUST)
J.Guillemain, MPR: 186 (5 ex.)
S.Estiot, Ph.Gysen RN 2006 (8 ex. cited)
Collection no. 1164

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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Lun 8 Jan - 1:24

5.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: ROMAE AETERNAE
BUST TYPE: A = radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from front
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: RΓ
WEIGHT 3.62g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH 23-24mm
RIC: 190 VAR. (UNLISTED WITH A BUST)
J.Guillemain, MPR: 136 (6 ex. cited)
S.Estiot, Ph.Gysen RN 2006 (5 ex. cited)
Collection no. 1166

Ex M. Griffiths collection

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OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: ADVENTVS PROBI AVG
BUST TYPE: A = radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from front
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: RA
WEIGHT 3.33g / AXIS: 6h / WIDTH 23-25mm
RIC: 160
J.Guillemain, MPR: UNLISTED (between 111 and 112)
S.Estiot, Ph.Gysen RN 2006 (only 1 ex. cited)
Collection no. 1167

This is the only example of this type in my Probus database (assuming the specimen cited by S.Estiot and Ph. Gysen in RN 2006 comes from M.Griffiths collection).

Possibly an unicum!

Ex M. Griffiths collection

7.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: VIRTVS AVGVSTI (Mars walking right reverse type)
BUST TYPE: A = radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from front
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: Rζ
WEIGHT 3.24g / AXIS: 6h / WIDTH 22-24mm
RIC; 240 VAR. (OBVERSE LEGEND AND MINTMARK UNLISTED)
J.Guillemain, MPR 174 (1 ex. in Vienne)
S.Estiot, Ph.Gysen RN 2006 (1 ex.)
Collection no. 1168
Note: Rare and desirable reverse type struck only during Rome's second emission.

This is only the third specimen of this type in my Probus database (the other two being in Vienna and M. Vosper collection = ex ebay Solidus 2016-06-12)

Ex M. Griffiths collection





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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Lun 8 Jan - 1:26

8.
OBVERSE: IMP C PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: ROMAE AETERNAE
BUST TYPE: E1 = radiate, cuirassed and helmeted bust left, holding spear and shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//RA
WEIGHT 3.57g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH 23-24mm
RIC: 194 VAR. (MINTMARK RA UNLISTED)
J.GUILLEMAIN, MONETAZIONE DI PROBO A ROMA (276-282 d.C.), 2009: 190 (3 ex.)
COLLECTION NO. 1128

9.
OBVERSE: IMP C PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: ADVENTVS PROBI AVG
BUST TYPE: E1 = radiate, cuirassed and helmeted bust left, holding spear and shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: --//RΓ
WEIGHT 4.04g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH 21-23mm
RIC: 164 VAR. (MINTMARK UNLISTED)
J.GUILLEMAIN, MONETAZIONE DI PROBO A ROMA (276-282 d.C.), 2009: 202 (11 EX.)
L�ATELIER DE ROME AU DEBUT DU REGNE DE PROBUS (276-277). CORPUS ET DOCUMENTS INEDITS, 2006, S. ESTIOT, P.GYSEN: 15 EX.
COLLECTION NO. 1169

Ex M. Griffiths collection

10.
OBVERSE: VIRTVS PROBI AVG
REVERSE: ROMAE AETERNAE
BUST TYPE: E1 = radiate, cuirassed and helmeted bust left, holding spear and shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//R
WEIGHT 2.85g / AXIS: 5h / DIAMETER: 21-24mm
RIC: 196
J.GUILLEMAIN, MONETAZIONE DI PROBO A ROMA (276-282 d.C.), 2009: 097 (only 1 ex. cited!)
COLLECTION NO. 1135
NOTE: shield decorated with Gorgoneion (very rare shield decoration for Rome)

11.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: VIRTVS AVGVSTI (Roma dressed as amazon resting on shield and holding Spear)
BUST TYPE: H2 = radiate bust left in consular robe, holding eagle-tipped sceptre (scipio)
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//R*E
WEIGHT 3.36g / AXIS: 8h / WIDTH 21-22mm
RIC: 235 VAR. (R*E MINTMARK UNLISTED)
J.Guillemain, MPR 284 (3 ex. cited, including 2 ex. in La Venera hoard)
Collection no. 1165
Ex M. Griffiths collection
This is only the sixth specimen of this type known to me (including the 3 cited by Guillemain)

NOTE: scarce and desirable reverse type. Although RIC describes this type as "soldier resting on shield (...)" on better preserved specimens a nude breast is clearly visible, which effectively precludes a reference to a soldier. According to S.Estiot this is a personification of Roma dressed as amazon (hence the nude breast).






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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Lun 8 Jan - 1:28

12.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P AVG
REVERSE: VIRTVS AVGVSTI (Roma dressed as amazon resting on shield and holding Spear)
BUST TYPE: H2 = radiate bust left in consular robe, holding eagle-tipped sceptre (scipio)
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//RE
WEIGHT 3.08g / AXIS: 6h / WIDTH 23mm
RIC: 239 VAR. (RE MINTMARK UNLISTED)
J.Guillemain, MPR 229 (1 EX.)
S.Estiot, Ph.Gysen RN 2006 (7 ex.)
Collection no. 1145

NOTE: scarce and desirable reverse type. Although RIC describes this type as "soldier resting on shield (...)" on better preserved specimens a nude breast is clearly visible, which effectively precludes a reference to a soldier. According to S.Estiot this is a personification of Roma dressed as amazon (hence the nude breast).

13.
OBVERSE: IMP PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: ADVENTVS AVG
BUST TYPE: B = radiate, cuirassed bust right
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: --//Rᴗ�INVERSE Z
WEIGHT 3.04g / AXIS: 6h / WIDTH 22mm
RIC: 157 VAR. (INVERSE Z mintmark UNLISTED)
J.GUILLEMAIN, MONETAZIONE DI PROBO A ROMA (276-282 d.C.), 2009: 386 (1 EX.)
COLLECTION NO. 1137

Note: apparently only the second known specimen in the world with an inverse Z in exergue

14.
OBVERSE: IMP PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: IOVI CONS AVG
BUST TYPE: B = radiate, cuirassed bust right
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: --//R(WREATH)B
WEIGHT 3.76g / AXIS: 6h / DIAMETER: 20-21,5
RIC: 172
J.GUILLEMAIN, MONETAZIONE DI PROBO A ROMA (276-282 d.C.), 2009: 440 (7 EX.)
COLLECTION NO. 1153

Note: scarce variety with IOVI CONS AVG, much rarer than the common IOVI CONS PROB AVG




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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Lun 8 Jan - 1:30

15.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: CONCORDIA EXERCI
BUST TYPE: A2 = radiate, draped (Paludamentum) and cuirassed bust right, seen from back
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//VITI
WEIGHT: 4.31g / AXIS: 12h / DIAMETER: 21-22mm
RIC: 313
COLLECTION NO. 1150

Extremely rare and desirable reverse type struck only during the very brief first emission at Ticinum. The bust is still that of Florian and not yet Probus.

This is only the third specimen (for the Concordia Exerci variant) in my Probus database (the other two being in U. Neumann's collection and Rogiet hoard no. 641). I have additional 4 examples of the Concordia Exercit variant in my database.

Ex S. Luethi collection

16.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: IOVI CONSERVAT
BUST TYPE: A2 = radiate, draped (Paludamentum) and cuirassed bust right, seen from back
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//TTI(cinum)
WEIGHT: 3.54g / AXIS: 12h / DIAMETER: 20-22mm
RIC: 315
COLLECTION NO. 1149

scarce and desirable reverse struck during the very brief first emission at Ticinum. Variant with dressed Jupiter (the other being nude Jupiter)

Ex S. Luethi collection

17.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: FIDES MILIT
BUST TYPE: H2 = radiate bust left in consular robe, holding eagle-tippeD sceptre (scipio); divergent wreath ties
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: */-//VIXXT
WEIGHT: 2.73g / AXIS: 6h / DIAMETER: 20,5-23,5mm
RIC: 363 VAR. (UNLISTED WITH STAR IN LEFT FIELD)
COLLECTION NO. 1163

The only specimen of this type (with star in left field) in my Probus database. Possibly an unicum!

Ex M. Griffiths collection

18.
OBVERSE: VIRTVS PROBI AVG
REVERSE: SALVS AVG
BUST TYPE: E1 = radiate, cuirassed and helmeted bust left, holding spear and shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: V/*//TXXI
WEIGHT 3.57g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH 21-22mm
RIC: 500
COLLECTION NO. 1122
THIS COIN IS PART OF THE CODED EQVITI SERIES (LETTER "V")





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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Lun 8 Jan - 1:33

19.
OBVERSE: IMP C PROBVS AVG CONS III
REVERSE: MARTI PACIF
BUST TYPE: H2 = radiate bust left in consular robe, holding eagle-tipped sceptre (scipio)
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: --//ΔXXI
WEIGHT 3.35g / AXIS: 6h / DIAMETER: 19-21mm
RIC: 544 (R2)
COLLECTION NO. 1146
Very rare
Virtually as struck with full silvering and mint luster!

20.
OBVERSE: VIRTVS PROBI AVG
REVERSE: SECVRIT PERP
BUST TYPE: E1 = radiate, cuirassed and helmeted bust left, holding spear and shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//ζXXI
WEIGHT 3.31g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH: 22-23mm
RIC: 575
COLLECTION NO. 1136
NOTE: Extremely rare. This is only the second specimen in my Probus database

21.
OBVERSE: IMP C PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: VIRTVS AVG (Mars walking right reverse type)
BUST TYPE: B = radiate, cuirassed bust right
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//EXXI
WEIGHT 4.23g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH: 23-24mm
RIC: 578
COLLECTION NO. 1126

Note: very rare and desirable reverse type for Ticinum's sixth (greek letter) emission (Pink's emission classification).

This is the 8th specimen in my Probus database

22.
OBVERSE: VIRTVS PROBI INVICTI AVG
REVERSE: SALVS AVG
BUST TYPE: E1 = radiate, cuirassed and helmeted bust left, holding spear and shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: V/-//TXXI
WEIGHT 3.57g / AXIS: 11h / WIDTH 22mm
RIC: 501
COLLECTION NO. 1175
THIS COIN IS PART OF THE CODED EQVITI SERIES (LETTER "V")

Scarce and desirable obverse legend. This is the hardest reverse to find with INVICTI obverse legend among all the eqviti series coins with INVICTI in the obverse legend.






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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Lun 8 Jan - 1:35

23.
OBVERSE: VIRTVS PROBI AVG
REVERSE: MARTI PACIF
BUST TYPE: F1 = radiate, cuirassed bust left, holding spear and shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//ΔXXI
WEIGHT 3.97g / AXIS: 6h / DIAMETER: 22mm
RIC: 543
COLLECTION NO.1162

NOTE: extremely rare. Only the second specimen in my Probus database (the other being from ebay auction held on 2016-02-21)

Ex M.Griffiths collection

24.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: SOLI INVICTO AVG (Spread quadriga)
BUST TYPE: F1 = radiate, cuirassed bust left, holding spear and shield; divergent wreath ties
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//XXIP
WEIGHT 4.12g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH 21,5-22mm
RIC 781 VAR. (F1 BUST UNLISTED)
ALFOLDI 083.008 corr. (1 ex. in La Venera Hoard)
COLLECTION NO. 1120

Extremely rare reverse type (SOLI INVICTO AVG in spread quadriga instead of Soli Invicto only).

Apparently only the second known specimen in the world with this bust type and officina (the first one being in La Venera hoard). Alfoldi erroneously depicted clouds underneath the spread quadriga on La Venera specimen. In reality, there are no clouds on the Venera specimen, as on my specimen (the latter information courtesy of Jean Guillemain).

25.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: SOLI INVICTO (Spread quadriga)
BUST TYPE: E1 = radiate, cuirassed and helmeted bust left, holding spear and shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//XXIP
WEIGHT 3.00g / AXIS: 6h / WIDTH 20-23mm
RIC 776
ALFOLDI 073.063 (1 EX.)
COLLECTION NO. 1124

Very rare

26.
OBVERSE: IMP C PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: VIRTVS PROBI AVG (Mars walking right holding trophy)
BUST TYPE: F9 = radiate, cuirassed bust right, holding spear on left shoulder
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/V//XXI
WEIGHT 3.88g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH 21,5mm
RIC 812 VAR. (UNLISTED WITH F9 BUST)
ALFOLDI 096 / - UNLISTED WITH F9 BUST TYPE)
COLLECTION NO. 1123

Very rare and desirable bust type!

Only second specimen in my Probus database (the other being in the wildwinds database under RIC no. 812). Of the highest rarity and numismatic interest!





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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Lun 8 Jan - 1:38

27.
VERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: VIRTVS PROBI AVG (Mars walking right, holding trophy)
BUST TYPE: F5 = radiate, cuirassed bust left, holding spear on right shoulder
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//XXIVI
WEIGHT 3.99g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH 20-23mm
RIC 811 VAR. (F5 BUST UNLISTED)
ALFOLDI 096 / - UNLISTED FOR OFFICINA XXIVI WITH THIS BUST TYPE AND OBVERSE LEGEND
COLLECTION NO. 1151

Scarce bust type

Ex S.Luethi collection

28.
OBVERSE: IMP C PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: VIRTVS AVGVSTI (Emperor raising hand over trophy; captive on left of trophy)
BUST TYPE: B = radiate, cuirassed bust right
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//XXIP
WEIGHT 3.46g / AXIS: 11h / WIDTH 22mm
RIC 804
ALFOLDI 091.005 (4 EX.)
COLLECTION NO. 1152

Rare and desirable reverse type struck only at Rome and Siscia (but scarcer at Siscia than at Rome)

Ex S.Luethi collection

29.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: VIRTVS PROBI AVG (Mars in military attire walking right, holding trophy)
BUST TYPE: H2 = radiate bust left in consular robe, holding eagle-tipped sceptre (scipio)
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/Q//XXI
WEIGHT 3.52g / AXIS: 7h / WIDTH 19,5-21mm
RIC 811 (RIC does not distinguish between Mars in military attire and Mars nude)
ALFOLDI 095 / - (095.001 VAR. - UNLISTED WITH Q IN FIELD)
COLLECTION NO. 1160

Very rare variant of this otherwise popular reverse type in which Mars is in military attire instead of nude, as usual.

This is the only example of this type in my database. Possibly an unicum!

Ex. M. Griffiths collection

30.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: VIRTVS PROBI AVG (Mars walking right, holding trophy)
BUST TYPE: E1 = radiate, cuirassed and helmeted bust left, holding spear and shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//-
WEIGHT 3.01g / AXIS: 6h / WIDTH 21-24mm
RIC 810 VAR. (UNLISTED WITH NO MINTMARKS)
ALFOLDI 096 / - (UNLISTED WITH NO MINTMARKS)
COLLECTION NO. 1161

Probus antoninianii without mintmarks were either trial coins or (much more often) donativa coins. Their attribution to a given mint is based on careful analysis of the coin's style and die links.

This is the only example of this type in my database. Possibly an unicum!

Ex. M. Griffiths collection






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31.
OBVERSE: IMP C PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: VIRTVS PROBI AVG (Mars walking right, holding trophy)
BUST TYPE: F1 = radiate, cuirassed bust left, holding spear and shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: P/-//XXI
WEIGHT 3.78g / AXIS: 6h / WIDTH 21mm
RIC 812 VAR. (MINTMAR IN LEFT FIELD UNLISTED)
ALFOLDI 096 / - (096.055 VAR. - UNLISTED WITH P IN LEFT FIELD)
COLLECTION NO. 1159

Unusual position of the P mintmark in left field instead of right

This is the only example of this type in my database. Possibly an unicum!

Ex. M. Griffiths collection

32.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: CONCORD MILIT
BUST TYPE: F1 = radiate, cuirassed bust left, holing spear and shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: S//XXI
WEIGHT 3.85g / AXIS: 7h / WIDTH 21-23mm
RIC 650
ALFOLDI 026.141 (2 EX.)
COLLECTION NO. 1170

33.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: SPES AVG
BUST TYPE: E1 = radiate, cuirassed and helmeted bust left, holding spear and shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//XXIV
WEIGHT 3.82g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH 22mm
RIC 786 VAR.
ALFOLDI 084.14 (2 ex.)
COLLECTION NO. 1143

Very rare!

Ex Gianni collection

34.
OBVERSE: IMP PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: CONCORDIA AVG
BUST TYPE: E1 = radiate, cuirassed and helmeted bust left, holing spear and (Parma) shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/VII//XXI
WEIGHT 3.82g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH 20-22mm
RIC 661 VAR. (PARMA SHIELD UNLISTED)
ALFOLDI 022.055 (7 EX.)
COLLECTION NO. 1131
NOTE: EMPEROR HOLDING PARMA SHIELD (RARE)





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35.
OBVERSE: IMP C PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: ADVENTVS AVG
BUST TYPE: F1 = radiate, cuirassed bust left, holding spear and shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//XXIP
WEIGHT 3.90g / AXIS: 5h / WIDTH 22-22,5mm
RIC 626
ALFOLDI 005.042 (2 ex.)
COLLECTION NO. 1133

Note: Gorgoneion on cuirass. This coins is part of the same emission as my coin no. 772 with laurel wreath on cuirass (and Adventvs Avg reverse). Very rare!

Ex Gianni collection

36.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P AVG
REVERSE: PROVIDENT AVG
BUST TYPE: F5 = radiate, cuirassed bust left, holding spear on right shoulder
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//XXIVI
WEIGHT 3.93g / AXIS: 6h / WIDTH 21-22mm
RIC 723
ALFOLDI 053.41a (1 ex.)
COLLECTION NO. 1141

Scarce bust type

Ex Gianni collection

37.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: VIRTVS PROBI AVG (Mars walking right, holding trophy)
BUST TYPE: A = radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from front
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: --//XXIVI
WEIGHT 3.35g / AXIS: 6h / WIDTH 21,5-23mm
RIC 811 VAR. (unlisted with A bust)
ALFOLDI 096.070 (1 ex.)
COLLECTION NO. 1134

Rare bust type for Siscia

Ex Gianni collection

38.
OBVERSE: IMP C PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: SALVS AVG (Salvs seated)
BUST TYPE: B = radiate, cuirassed bust right
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//XXIQ
WEIGHT 3.67g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH 21-22mm
RIC 753
ALFOLDI 063.006 (2 EX.)
COLLECTION NO. 1129

39.
OBVERSE: IMP C PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: SOLI INVICTO (Quadriga left)
BUST TYPE: H2 = radiate bust left in consular robe, holding eagle-tipped sceptre (scipio)
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//TXXI
WEIGHT 3.75g / AXIS: 1h / DIAMETER: 21-22mm
RIC: 771 VAR. (H2 bust and TXXI mintmark unlisted)
ALFOLDI 076.062 (3 ex. including 1 in La Venera hoard)
COLLECTION NO. 1142

NOTE: Very rare mintmark TXXI. This coin is part of a very rare and brief emission struck by the third officina with the letter T before the reform mark XXI (sometimes the letter "t" is in the field). Only Adventvs and Soli invicto reverses were struck during this brief emission at Siscia.

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40.
OBVERSE: PERPETVO IMP C PROBO P F AVG
REVERSE: PROVIDEN DEOR
BUST TYPE: A2 = Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from back
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: */KAA
WEIGHT 3.94g / AXIS: 6h / WIDTH 21-23mm
RIC 849 VAR. (OBVERSE LEGEND UNLISTED)
COLLECTION NO. 1147

Extremely rare and desirable obverse legend.

This is only the 5th specimen of this type in my Probus database

41.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: SOLI INVICTO
BUST TYPE: H4 = radiate bust right in consular robe, holding eagle-tipped sceptre (scipio)
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: --//Gamma
WEIGHT 4.17g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH 23mm
RIC: 861 VAR. (H4 bust and gamma mintmark unlisted)
COLLECTION NO. 1157

NOTE: THIS COIN IS PART OF AN UNPUBLISHED, VERY RARE AND BRIEF GREEK LETTER EMMISSION (WITHOUT THE MARK KA) - PHASE "A" OF SERDICA'S 3rd EMMISSION

This is the only specimen of this type known to me. Possibly an unicum!

Of the highest rarity and numismatic interest!

Ex M. Griffiths collection

42.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P AVG
REVERSE: SOLI INVICTO
BUST TYPE: H2 = radiate bust left in consular robe, holding eagle-tipped sceptre (scipio)
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: --//Delta
WEIGHT 3.96g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH 21-22mm
RIC: 864 VAR. (DELTA MINTMARK UNLISTED)
COLLECTION NO. 1158

NOTE: THIS COIN IS PART OF AN UNPUBLISHED, VERY RARE AND BRIEF GREEK LETTER EMMISSION (without the KA mark) - PHASE "A" OF SERDICA'S 3rd EMMISSION

This is only the 3rd specimen of this type in my Probus database (the other two being in Ph. Gysen's collection)

Ex. M. Griffiths collection

43.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: VIRTVS PROBI AVG (VIR-1)
BUST TYPE: E1 = radiate, cuirassed and helmeted bust left, holding spear and (Parma) shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: --//KA�A�
WEIGHT 3.73g / AXIS: 6h / WIDTH 21-24mm
RIC 878
COLLECTION NO. 1125
NOTE: EMPEROR IS HOLDING PARMA SHIELD (RARE)






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44.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P AVG
REVERSE: RESTITVTOR ORBIS
BUST TYPE: E1 = radiate, cuirassed and helmeted bust left, holding spear and shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: MS//KAA
WEIGHT 3.24g / AXIS: 6h / WIDTH 20-21,5mm
RIC 857 VAR. (OBVERSE LEGEND AND E1 BUST UNLISTED)
COLLECTION NO. 1148
EXTREMELY RARE

Ex Gianni collection

45.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS PIVS AVG
REVERSE: RESTITVTOR ORBIS
BUST TYPE: B = radiate, cuirassed bust right
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: M�S//KA�A�
WEIGHT 3.45g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH 20-22,5mm
RIC 857 VAR.
COLLECTION NO. 1144
EXTREMELY RARE

Ex Gianni collection

46.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: RESTITVT ORBIS
BUST TYPE: A2
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: GAMMA//XXI
EMMISSION: 4
WEIGHT: 4,68 / AXIS:7h / DIAMETER: 20-20,5mm
RIC 925 (ANTIOCHIA)
COLLECTION NO. 1155

Attribution of this coin to the 4th unspecified oriental mint instead of Antiochia (as in RIC V.II) is based on the article by S. Estiot, "L�Empereur et l�usurpateur: un 4e atelier oriental sous Probus"; Studies in ancient coinage in honor of Anndrew Burnett, Spink, London, 2015.

Only 7 specimens of this type are cited in the above article

47.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: RESTITVT ORBIS
BUST TYPE: A2
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: E//XXI
EMMISSION: 4
WEIGHT: 4,68 / AXIS:7h / DIAMETER: 20-20,5mm
RIC 925 (ANTIOCHIA)
COLLECTION NO. 1156

Attribution of this coin to the 4th unspecified oriental mint instead of Antiochia (as in RIC V.II) is based on the article by S. Estiot, "L�Empereur et l�usurpateur: un 4e atelier oriental sous Probus"; Studies in ancient coinage in honor of Anndrew Burnett, Spink, London, 2015.

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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Mar 9 Jan - 14:35

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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Mar 9 Jan - 15:14

Magnifique Barnaba !  super1 super1 super1 super1 Wink 
Je vais prendre le temps de les analyser toutes même si certaines sont déjà dans la base pour une autre collection.

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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Lun 12 Mar - 0:57

Bonsoir,

Voici mes nouvelles monnaies de Probus:

1.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: ROMAE AETERNAE
BUST TYPE: A = Radiate, cuirassed and draped bust right, seen from front
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//R
WEIGHT 4.45g / AXIS: 12h / DIAMETER: 22-23mm
RIC: 190 VAR. (UNLISTED WITH A BUST)
J.GUILLEMAIN, MPR: 087 (1 EX.)
S.Estiot, Ph.Gysen RN 2006 (only 2 ex. cited)
COLLECTION NO. 1179

EX GIANNI COLLECTION

THIRD EX. KNOWN TO ME (THE REMAINING TWO ARE CITED BY ESTIOT/GYSEN IN RN 2006)

2.
OBVERSE: IMP PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: SOLI INVICTO
BUST TYPE: H2 = Radiate bust left in imperial mantle, holding eagle-tipped sceptre (scipio)
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//RE
WEIGHT 3.83g / AXIS: 6h / DIAMETER: 20-23mm
RIC: 202
J.GUILLEMAIN, MONETAZIONE DI PROBO A ROMA (276-282 d.C.), 2009: 462 (1 EX.)
COLLECTION NO. 1182

Ex. Gianni collection

3.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: VIRTVS AVGVSTI (Roma dressed as amazon, leaning on shield and holding spear)
BUST TYPE: H2 = Radiate bust left in imperial mantle, holding eagle-tipped sceptre (scipio)
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//RB
WEIGHT 3.86g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH 22-27mm
RIC: 234
J.GUILLEMAIN, MONETAZIONE DI PROBO A ROMA (276-282 d.C.), 2009: 123 (2 EX.)
COLLECTION NO. 1202

4.
OBVERSE: IMP PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: SOLI INVICTO
BUST TYPE: H2 = Radiate bust left in imperial mantle, holding eagle-tipped sceptre (scipio)
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//RE
WEIGHT 2.19g / AXIS: 6h / DIAMETER: 22mm
RIC: 207
J.GUILLEMAIN, MONETAZIONE DI PROBO A ROMA (276-282 d.C.), 2009: 314 (1 EX.)
COLLECTION NO. 1204





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MessageSujet: Re: Nouvelles entrées probusiennes   Lun 12 Mar - 0:59

5.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: MARS VICTOR
BUST TYPE: E = Radiate, cuirassed and helmeted bust left, holding shield and spear (spear shaft only)
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//II
WEIGHT 3.34g / AXIS 6h / DIAMETER: 22mm
RIC: 83
BASTIEN: 216 (9 EX.)
COLLECTION NO: 1190
NOTE: Emperor on horse on shield

Ex. S. Luethi collection

6.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: SPES PROBI AVG
BUST TYPE: A2 = Radiate, cuirassed and draped bust right, seen from back
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//III
WEIGHT 3.73g / AXIS 12h / WIDTH: 21,5-23mm
RIC: 99
BASTIEN: 324 (12 EX.)
COLLECTION NO: 1191

Ex. S. Luethi collection

7.
OBVERSE: IMP C PROBVS•P•F•AVG
REVERSE: PAX AVG
BUST TYPE: A = Radiate, cuirassed and draped bust right, seen from front
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/D//-
WEIGHT 3.91g / AXIS 6h / DIAMETER: 21-22mm
RIC: 119 VAR. (D IN RIGHT FIELD UNLISTED)
BASTIEN: 431 (3 EX.)
COLLECTION NO: 1201



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8.
OBVERSE: IMP C PROBVS AVG CONS IIII
REVERSE: SECVRIT PERP
BUST TYPE: H2 = Radiate bust left in imperial mantle, holding eagle-tipped sceptre (scipio)
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//VIXX
WEIGHT: 4.44g / AXIS: 12h / DIAMETER: 22-23mm
RIC: 529 VAR. (IMP C PROBVS AVG CONS IIII UNLISTED)
COLLECTION NO. 1192

Ex S. Luethi collection

THIS COIN IS PART OF THE CODED EQVITI SERIES (SEE SECOND LETTER "I" IN RIGHT FIELD)

9.
BVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: FIDES MILIT
BUST TYPE: B1 = radiate, cuirassed bust left
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//VIXXT
WEIGHT: 4.37g / AXIS: 12h / DIAMETER: 22-25mm
RIC: 364 VAR. (B1 BUST UNLISTED)
COLLECTION NO. 1193
Very rare bust type, especially for Ticinum!

Ex S. Luethi collection

ONLY SECOND SPECIMEN KNOWN TO ME (THE OTHER BEING IN Ph. GYSEN COLLECTION)

10.
OBVERSE: VIRTVS PROBI AVG
REVERSE: ROMAE AETERNAE
BUST TYPE: E1 = Radiate, cuirassed and helmeted bust left, holding spear and shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//SXXT
WEIGHT 3.87g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH: 21-22mm
RIC: 411
COLLECTION NO. 1197

Ex. S. Luethi collection

Note: The only specimen of this type in my Probus database!

11.
OBVERSE: VIRTVS PROBI AVG
REVERSE: SALVS PVBLIC
BUST TYPE: F5 = Radiate, cuirassed bust left, holding spear
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//ΓXXI
WEIGHT 2.89g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH 22mm
RIC: 569 VAR. (F5 BUST UNLISTED)
COLLECTION NO. 1185

Note: The only specimen of this type known to me!




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12.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: VIRTVS AVG (Emperor on horse spearing enemy)
BUST TYPE: F1 = radiate, cuirassed bust left, holding spear and shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//B
WEIGHT: 2.93g / AXIS: 12h / DIAMETER: 20-21mm
RIC: REVERSE TYPE UNLISTED FOR GREEK LETTER EMISSION, SHOULD BE BETWEEN RIC 578 AND 579
COLLECTION NO. 1178

Ex Gianni collection, Ex DATTARI collection

6TH KNOWN SPECIMEN TO ME (THE OTHERS BEING IN PH. GYSEN COLLECTION AND 4 SPECIMENS IN VEMANIA ISNY II HOARD)

This coin is part of the scarce first phase of Ticinum’s 6th emission (according to Pink’s emission classification) with greek numerals of officinae not accompanied by the XXI monetary reform mark. In the much more common and abundant second phase of 6th emission the greek numerals were followed by the XXI mark in the exergue.

13.
OBVERSE: IMP C PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: PROVIDENT AVG
BUST TYPE: B = Radiate, cuirassed bust right
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//B
WEIGHT 3.85g / AXIS: 6h / DIAMETER: 22mm
RIC: 551 VAR. (UNLISTED WITH B IN EXERGUE)
COLLECTION NO. 1180
Ex. Gianni collection
This coin is part of the scarce first phase of Ticinum’s 6th emission (according to Pink’s emission classification) with greek numerals of officinae not accompanied by the XXI monetary reform mark. In the much more common and abundant second phase of 6th emission the greek numerals were followed by the XXI mark in the exergue.

14.
REVERSE: VIRTVS AVG (Mars walking right holding trophy)
BUST TYPE: E1 = Radiate, cuirassed and helmeted bust left, holding spear and (Parma) shield
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//PXXT
WEIGHT 2.70g / AXIS: 12h / DIAMETER: 24-25mm
RIC: 431
COLLECTION NO. 1183
Note: only 3RD KNOWN SPECIMEN TO ME (THE OTHER BEING IN M.GRIFFITHS COLLECTION AND SAVOCA BLUE AUCTION 4 LOT 1502)
Ex. Gianni collection




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15.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG
REVERSE: SECVRITAS SAECVLI
BUST TYPE: A2 = Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from back
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/A//XXI
WEIGHT 3.78g / AXIS: 12h / WIDTH:22-23mm
MINT: SISCIA
RIC: 763
ALFOLDI 068.001 (6 EX.)
COLLECTION NO. 1189
Ex. S. Luethi collection

16.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: SOLI INVICTO AVG
BUST TYPE: H2 = Radiate bust left in imperial mantle, holding eagle-tipped sceptre (scipio)
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//XXIP
WEIGHT 3.53g / AXIS: 11h / DIAMETER: 21-22mm
RIC 783
ALFOLDI 081.001 (21 EX.)
COLLECTION NO. 1181
Note: a scarcer variant (Soli Invicto AVG instead of just Soli Invicto) of this otherwise very popular reverse type in Probus' coinage

17.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: SOLI INVICTO AVG
BUST TYPE: H2 = Radiate bust left in imperial mantle, holding eagle-tipped sceptre (scipio)
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/-//XXIT
WEIGHT 4.06g / AXIS: 6h / DIAMETER: 21,5mm
RIC 783
ALFOLDI 081.003 (6 EX.)
COLLECTION NO. 1199
Note: a scarcer variant (Soli Invicto AVG instead of just Soli Invicto) of this otherwise very popular reverse type in Probus' coinage

18.
OBVERSE: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG
REVERSE: PAX AVG
BUST TYPE: F5 = Radiate, cuirassed bust left, holding spear
FIELD / EXERGUE MARKS: -/P//XXI
WEIGHT 3.33g / AXIS: 6h / WIDTH 21-22mm
RIC 704
ALFOLDI 041.087 (5 EX.)
COLLECTION NO. 1172





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