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 Vespasian Sestertius Fake ???

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kc
Cos II des III
Cos II des III
kc

Age : 31
Localisation : thormarcon
Date d'inscription : 17/05/2012

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MessageSujet: Vespasian Sestertius Fake ???   Vespasian Sestertius Fake ??? Icon_minitimeMar 13 Oct - 20:20

Hi,

I received a message from a member of the forum who has not a good feeling with this coin.

He said that a lot of dealers and experts (for example Moruzzi, Italy) considered it is not authentic.

"It seems that it is one of the last products of the well know industry of forgeries that is active in the area near Rome, and the patina is really really convincing."

With the coin in hand I can see nothing wrong but the style of the portrait is very strange.

What do you think?

Best regards
kc

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Genio popvli romani
COS VI
COS VI
Genio popvli romani

Age : 46
Localisation : Lugdunensis senonia
Date d'inscription : 09/03/2012

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MessageSujet: Re: Vespasian Sestertius Fake ???   Vespasian Sestertius Fake ??? Icon_minitimeMar 13 Oct - 20:36

Is you coin the ex-Gorny & Mosch, ex-NAC?

Same reverse die :
Vespasian Sestertius Fake ??? 1840720.m
http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1840720
Vespasian Sestertius Fake ??? 257641.m
http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=257641
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Joss
COS VII
COS VII
Joss

Age : 30
Localisation : Lutèce
Date d'inscription : 17/09/2015

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MessageSujet: Re: Vespasian Sestertius Fake ???   Vespasian Sestertius Fake ??? Icon_minitimeMar 13 Oct - 20:37

It was sold for CHF10,000 last year, and auctioned again this year at a cheaper price.  Suspect
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http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1995816
http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2375783
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kc
Cos II des III
Cos II des III
kc

Age : 31
Localisation : thormarcon
Date d'inscription : 17/05/2012

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MessageSujet: Re: Vespasian Sestertius Fake ???   Vespasian Sestertius Fake ??? Icon_minitimeMar 13 Oct - 20:54

Thanks,
yes it is the coin from Gorny & Mosch.

But the Details of the Portrait are really strange. Have a look at the chin. A good Picture to see it is the NAC photo.

The reverse is from the same die as the other two examples.

Regards
kc
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Genio popvli romani
COS VI
COS VI
Genio popvli romani

Age : 46
Localisation : Lugdunensis senonia
Date d'inscription : 09/03/2012

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MessageSujet: Re: Vespasian Sestertius Fake ???   Vespasian Sestertius Fake ??? Icon_minitimeMar 13 Oct - 21:08

Same obverse die :

Vespasian Sestertius Fake ??? 1341430.m
http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1341430

Vespasian Sestertius Fake ??? 1181818.m
http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1181818

Vespasian Sestertius Fake ??? 284738.m
http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=284738

Vespasian Sestertius Fake ??? 404518.m
http://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=404518
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Genio popvli romani
COS VI
COS VI
Genio popvli romani

Age : 46
Localisation : Lugdunensis senonia
Date d'inscription : 09/03/2012

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MessageSujet: Re: Vespasian Sestertius Fake ???   Vespasian Sestertius Fake ??? Icon_minitimeMar 13 Oct - 21:10

So if just based on the (wrong) bust style, it would implies that the four previous coins are....
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kc
Cos II des III
Cos II des III
kc

Age : 31
Localisation : thormarcon
Date d'inscription : 17/05/2012

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MessageSujet: Re: Vespasian Sestertius Fake ???   Vespasian Sestertius Fake ??? Icon_minitimeMar 13 Oct - 21:20

Hi GPR,

thank you so much for your help.

It is a good sign.

Regards
kc
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Genio popvli romani
COS VI
COS VI
Genio popvli romani

Age : 46
Localisation : Lugdunensis senonia
Date d'inscription : 09/03/2012

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MessageSujet: Re: Vespasian Sestertius Fake ???   Vespasian Sestertius Fake ??? Icon_minitimeMar 13 Oct - 21:27

Regarding only the style question, I believe it is a good sign. And some of the other coins have been so heavily tooled that it is hard to think they were not genuine. So  it is  probable that both obverse and reverse really exist.
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Pescennius
Prefet de l'Vrbs
Prefet de l'Vrbs
Pescennius

Age : 32
Date d'inscription : 17/02/2015

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MessageSujet: Re: Vespasian Sestertius Fake ???   Vespasian Sestertius Fake ??? Icon_minitimeMar 13 Oct - 22:03

Une monnaie déstabilisante !
Et j'admire ton excellente intervention, Genio Popvli Romani ! Win
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